The Short Life-Cycle of the "Blimps"
(October 2000 - April 2001)

Market Gems: Stocks w/Strong Earnings and High Tech. Rank
While everyone was upgrading and touting the future of the high valuation technology Stocks, we were picking up on the impossibility of these companies to sustain impossible valuations.  These posts are still on Silicon Investor and have not been edited.   This was the best 6 months we had surpassed only by the original tech bull market.   Since we don't know how long the Silicon Investor archives of the over 150,000 posts from the Market Gems thread will be available, we repost them here.  There are many, many more posts in September but the search engine only captured from October.

Others began slowly to see the light but by November while we were getting into maximum overdrive and accelerating our short plays others were calling bottoms.   By February after the January Artificial Rally, we began to reshort  and continue up through this earnings quarter (Quarter 1, 2001).  We  kept on our path since the end of September and have not regretted one day that we were short these "BLIMPS".  Its nice to have an indelible record of our SHORT Plays and position as to the extreme high P/E premiums would lead to a crash.  This will go down as probably the most historic 6 months of the nasdaq's history!!

 

To:Jenna who wrote (114564)
From: Jenna

Wednesday, Oct 4, 2000  12:37 AM
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There will be many shorting opportunities as long as stocks like AVNX, GSPN, EXTR, JNPR,BRCM, SDLI are so inflated and ridiculous. We will be laughing all the way to the bank on these. Puts will be the way to go, allowing of course of a period or so of dead cat bounces. I said this before we shorted ARBA and this will go on through EPNY, FMKT and all the others. ARBA will end up the same price as AAPL

EXTR trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 223.8 times vs. the 75.8 X average multiple at which the Communications Equipment SubIndustry is priced.

AVNX Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 1133.3 times, the 75.8 X average multiple at which the Communications Equipment SubIndustry is priced.

GSPN Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 277.8 times vs. the 75.8 X average multiple at which the Communications Equipment SubIndustry is priced.

BRCM Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 249.2 times, vs. the 30.9 X average multiple at which the Semiconductors SubIndustry is priced.

SDLI  Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 215.5 X, vs. the 30.9 X average multiple at which the Semiconductors SubIndustry is priced.

JNPR Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 671.5 X, vs. the 65.3 X average multiple at which the Networking SubIndustry is priced.

 

To:Jenna who wrote (114757)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Oct 5, 2000  5:54 PM
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JNPR, BRCM, AVNX, GSPN.. well these blimps did make good shorts and have been except for the brief "wednesday bear rally".. You think we stayed short? Not in your life. We might be a little premature but we are expecting long plays in all of these tomorrow.. at least for a good gain until they get rousted again. To determine that you can't short these blimps because of some 'holy sanctity' they having survived into the triple digits is absurd. The nice thing about these are the call options you can short every one of them in the price it would cost to buy 1,000 shares of LSCC or a comparable stock... If you add up the gains in option points for 10 puts in each, the result was mind boggling. So rest assured gang, traders are cashing in BIG TIME going short on this blimps lately and will do once again.. And we will go long on a rally,just like anyone else. WE called a cover on JNPR when it called "uncle" and it just looks to be a nice long maybe at least for one reversal period on Friday.

 

To:Jenna who wrote (116091)
From: Jenna
Monday, Nov 6, 2000  2:23 PM
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We are now continuing to short FFIV, BEAS, GILD, AVNX.. EFNT already called this morning.. Unfortunately we covered MUSE, but GSPN is a continuing short. ( aren't holding them all, just these were followed and called)...


To:Jenna who wrote (114569)
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Oct 4, 2000  12:53 AM
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Hit 'n run Trading for good financial health. Keeping the techs in this market climate when just a breath or rumor will knock them down 19% in one day is financial suicide. I still like some of the underpriced companies and they will be on future watch lists together with the inflated blimps that will be shorting opportunities.. I love these markets and as long as analysts like Jaffries can with one downgrade destroy CMRC... traders will feast. What is really a disaster is that good companies like AGN are brought down as well. ENZN a favored trade, trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 213.8 X, vs. the 71.7 X average multiple at which the Biomedics SubIndustry is priced and as much as I love MNMD and traded it, I suspect that the next fall will be MNMD which trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 148.9 X, vs. the 32.1 X average multiple at which the Medical Products SubIndustry.. AGN was only about 75 times. MEDI brought down the sector yesterday and that was just the beginning.

 

To:SMALL FRY who wrote (114773)
From: Jenna
Friday, Oct 6, 2000  5:49 AM
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VECO... Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, all the analysts upgrades and all the ploys won't put VECO back together again. I've been waiting for a good short in VECO for a while now. Guess we'll have one today.

 

To:Jenna who wrote (115548)
From: Jenna
Tuesday, Oct 24, 2000  1:46 PM
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MCDT down now 41 points since the sell short trigger. I thought today might be the day of the reversal back to the upside but it wasn't.. JDSU joined the parade of dirigibles.


To:Jenna who wrote (115558)
From: Jenna
Tuesday, Oct 24, 2000  5:37 PM
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NT down 12 after hours!, NUAN, MUSE down 4 after hours.. tomorrow could be the MUSE will be silenced? more than likely not just the muse.. some other fat cats as well. We'll see, MUSE should sell off. CSCO down over 3 1/2 in after hours also. XLNX, AMAT, TXCC all down in after hours. It should WORSEN with the end of the week, as the belwhethers will have had their earnings and its only the mid caps will continue up on their own news in NOVEMBER. So we had some good rallies and will more than likely have more in the mid cap sectors in November. We have and will have good earnings in the pharmaceutical sectors, but WE MUST SHORT THE EARNINGS OR AFTER THE ANTICIPATORY UPSWING... GILD was a good short called today and DGX which we didn't call timely but did say it was a recovery after that two day huge DROP in DGX.. So traders don't just BUY but BUY with the intent to SELL and/or SELL SHORT.

These might seeem like good earnings but the STOCKS WERE WELL OVERBOUGHT AND ANY GOOD EARNINGS WERE ALREADY BUILT into these blimps. Those without good earnings will be down even more.. NT.. is one good example.

MICROMUSE REPORTS 114% REVENUE GROWTH FOR Q4 2000

Pro Forma Q4 Earnings Surge 151% - Announces 2-for-1 Stock Split

SAN FRANCISCO – Micromuse Inc. (Nasdaq: MUSE), the leading provider of fault and service-level management software, today announced record financial results for its fourth fiscal quarter ended September 30, 2000. Revenues for the quarter were a record $41.1 million, representing a 114% increase over the comparable quarter of fiscal 1999. Pro forma earnings for the quarter, excluding the write-off of purchased in process R & D and the amortization of goodwill and purchased intangible assets, were $5.4 million, or $0.13 per share on a diluted basis, as compared with reported earnings of $2.1 million, or $0.06 per share on a diluted basis, in the fourth quarter of fiscal 1999.



To:Jenna who wrote (115545)
From: Jenna
Tuesday, Oct 24, 2000  1:36 PM
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JDSU.. pig and blimp (posted) and finally the CIEN dirigible punctured. MUSE still has a thick skin, can't get more than a few points, but tonight MUSE comes out with earnings.... hopefull tomorrow or will be a MUSE inspiration to the downside.

To:kendall harmon who wrote (115266)
From: Jenna
Sunday, Oct 15, 2000  8:28 PM
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Terrific news.... Should shake out quite few. Very good news to those remaining. They should have done this a long time ago. I believe its not just chat rooms but also places like SI where anonymity reigns. Message boards have with their rumor mongering also killed some good stocks. No one should ever take anyone word for any stock selection. Especially those that say BUY before on good news.. or SELL short before bad news has actually come out.

Stocks should be chosen on the basis of techo-fundamental analysis and proper homework, Any "Let's rumble and roll theory" has really died... Role the dice and momentum theories have died as well. I can think of a few more than need shaking out.. but there are really not that many left. Out of about 100, maybe 4 or 5. The internets are dead, we can really only count on good earnings to move our stocks and short the ones that just don't give good earnings... Between bogus chat rooms, bogus posters on SI and bogus strategies, bogus analysts, bogus buy recommendations for the longer term... its no wonder the investor lost his shirt.

 

To:Jenna who wrote (115235)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Oct 12, 2000  11:10 PM
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QCOM sets a good example and maybe a glimmer of what lies ahead.

QCOM Trades at a 10% Discount PE Multiple of 63.0 times vs. the 69.8 times earnings average multiple at which the Communications Equipment SubIndustry is priced.

The bull dogs... will more than likely be cut down to tolerable valuation and adjusted to their earnings. If not we will have a market in a downward trading channel with little blips of 'bearish flags'.. This is what traders want.. huge volatility intraday moves of 5-10 points while the public is being assuaged with 'don't worry, it will come back'.... :-) By then we will ALL be waiting.. but investors will be Waiting..for Godot.
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AVNX Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 2925.0 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced.

ITWO Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 383.2 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced

SEBL Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 214.2 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced

BEAS Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 336.4 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced.
TIBX Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 363.5 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced.

MCDT Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 368.5 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced.

MERQ Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 190.4 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced.

MUSE Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 415.3 X, vs. the 44.0 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced.

GSPN Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 248.4 X, vs. the 69.8 X average multiple at which the Communications Equipment SubIndustry is priced.

To:V-Bottom who wrote (116462)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Nov 9, 2000  9:26 PM
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"More downside"..unfortunately, it doesn't take much to get this market off kilter, but it takes an AWFUL lot to turn it around for more than one day. Its also got a lot to do with disenchantment in general. The election farce did not help either. I'm not a scholar of economic climates, but it seems a bit obvious that we are slowing down. Its not just the tech sector, its the trucking sector, the railroads, the airlines...selected retail Also when you see difficult economic environment taking its toll on companies like ShopKo, Best Buy, you have to be aware.

Companies with incredibly high multiples have to stand alongside companies like Best Buy? Its almost no contest and yes, I would not be an investor in this climate. We take occasional 1-3 week long foray into pharmaceuticals, insurance, financial sectors to 'supplement' trading income but I thank G-d we have options, because without options, I would have no guts to hold anything long in the tech sector overnight. Short Plays although easier to hold overnight, give you much better bang for the buck when you can pick up 4-5 put positions in triple digit and high double digit stocks, and leverage them for a small fraction what it would cost to short those stocks.

There are a number of retail stocks reporting next week. It would be a good idea to prepare for the October retail sales reports on November 14.

Tuesday, November 14
ET/GMT
0830/1330 October Retail Sales (last +0.9%)
0830/1330 October Retail Sales, Ex-Autos (last +0.7%)
0900/1400 BTM-UBS Warburg Chain Store Sales Index For Nov. 11


To:If only I'd held who wrote (119130)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Dec 14, 2000  10:52 PM
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Big Momma's House WEBM, NTIQ.. we got our 18% and I think tomorrow is the day we can squeeze more out of these blimps and surprisingly there are still quite a few like these that are just waiting to be pricked.


To:If only I'd held who wrote (119130)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Dec 14, 2000  10:54 PM
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Big Momma's House BRCD,JNPR,WEBM, NTIQ.. we got 'em and I think tomorrow is the day we can squeeze more out of these blimps and surprisingly there are still quite a few like these that are just waiting to be pricked. JNPR still has a P/E of 444 (worth about $26), BRCD P/E 363 worth about $52, NTIQ 161 WEBM worth about $12 NTIQ First support for NetIQ: $82.26 (50-day moving average)
Next stop all aboard: Second support for NetIQ: $59.53 (200-day moving average)


To:jjetstream who wrote (116983)
From: Jenna
Sunday, Nov 19, 2000  11:17 PM
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<font color=brown> Buy and Fold Theories instead of Buy and Hold Theories.

Contrarian indicator? Do you ever wonder that too many people are expecting a rebound in technology and investor confidence is rising. Could that be sign for further declines? Maybe another 10 or 15%? Lots of people already escaped the tech sector, and are waiting for a rebound, which could mean another drop before a recovery. I'm not sure how anyone can talk about a "January effect" now when December is not even upon us and with the knowledge now that January has a new effect, which could be the effect of new earnings short falls especially in the semiconductors and and communications equipment makers. I would not jump into anything blind just yet.

I would however expect companies to reveal any problems with earnings shortfalls for the fourth quarter more quickly than they did for third quarter. Changes in companies earnings outlooks should be made in plenty of time in advance of the actual report date.

There was a rule enacted for the Securities and Exchange Commission called Reg FD, for "full disclosure".. This rule which went into effect on October 23, is supposed to level the playing field between Wall Street professionals and the individual nvestor by requiring that corporations give everyone equal access to potentially market moving information.

Some companies are issuing press releases monthly reports on earnings forecasts. If and when all companies comply and offer easy access to company sales and forecast information BEFORE the scheduled report dates and BEFORE their earnings shortfall announcements, we may be spared the debacle we had in the last 3 months. Working so closely with earnings plays for 4 years now, it is easy to become trained NOT TO HOLD any technology stocks for more than a window of maybe 4 weeks in any earnings quarter. No long term portfolios, no blind investing in the tech sector, no holding any tech stock positions through the earnings report, and no "buy and hold theories" which are which whould be 'buy and fold' theories - buy and when you have a nice profit, fold.

We leave buy and hold theories to Merrill Lynch, CSFB, Lehman and their lackies as they try to explain losses to their investors.

 

To:Brice A. Guckien who wrote (116980)
From: Jenna
Monday, Nov 20, 2000  8:54 AM
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Hope everyone is short SDLI, CORV, JDSU and JNPR or at least flat and not involved with these blimps. Money will be back into the sectors (telecom and semis) but we will wait until they are dirt cheap and not holding on with dear life as they drop like rocks, which they are doing. Those that can't short catch falling knives or just deny that these stocks are going down. I'm not sure how much denial can be handled before the truth is finally revealed. They are still in holds from some long term portfolio. Not for us they never were.


To:Fallope who wrote (115483)
From: Jenna
Sunday, Oct 22, 2000  3:06 PM
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MUSE, the next moose? MUSE Next overvalued, overpriced.. blimp to fall:MUSE maybe not for a few hours but at MUSE at a Premium PE Multiple of 527.7 X, vs. the 50.4 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced. 180 or 185 put options November have a little patience.. You won't need much. MUSE expecting 11 cents.. looks like a P/E of about 3,000.. OSII earning $0.03 and it trades at a 1% Discount PE Multiple of 49.8 X, vs. the 50.4 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced. Not saying OSII has proven itself but just compare the ridiculous valuations here. Fiscal year for MUSE is expected to be $0.38 cents an increase of 83%... If you listen really intently this MUSE is inspiring a sell short.

MUSE after last report dropped from 156 to 112.
OSII's fiscal year ending June 2001 Estimated: $0.18e Change vs. '00 +325.0% with a relative strength of 96.


To:Jenna who wrote (115379)
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2000  9:04 AM
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ARTG 75 puts AYQVO. when and if this pulls back and BRCD the 240 GUFVH puts or the 230 puts GUFVF.
BRCD, Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 461.2 X, vs. the 81.5 X average multiple at which the Computer Peripherals SubIndustry is priced.
ITWO Trades at a Premium PE Multiple of 426.3 X, vs. the 44.9 X average multiple at which the Software & Services SubIndustry is priced. QWIVM puts 165



To:Teri Garner who wrote (116365)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Nov 9, 2000  9:24 AM
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EPNY...that overvalued blimp could crash and burn and along with NUAN

 

To:Teri Garner who wrote (116324)
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Nov 8, 2000  6:29 PM
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<font color=maroon> SHORT TRIGGERS: RBAK, MANU, BEAS, CFLO, JNPR, TXCC
15-minute charts after 11:30... 5 minute in the 9:50-10:10 reversal period. This is THE MOST IMPORTANT reversal period you can find...Only the 3:00-3:30 reveral period is near in importance and ironically will USUALLY parallel the 9:50 - 10:10 reversal period (i.e. stocks that are up in this period, will MOST LIKELY be up in the 3:00 -3:30 reversal period)... That is why I would use the 5 minute charts in the morning to make sure an uptrend is really that and not an BEARISH FLAG PATTERN which it was today. By 9:45-9:50 it was clear our "blimps" were on the move once again to the downside. We added two two blimps today - MANU blimp and CFLO blimp. RBAK, TXCC, JNPR, BRCM, BEAS were all continuing blimps. "Minor Blimps" were added like TXCC when it was clear this was only going in ONE direction. How did we know? You have to know the key reversal moving averages, support/resistance lines (Minor as well as major).. Once a major support trend in a downward trading stock it pierced to the UPSIDE, that support becomes minor resistance( i.e. a key 200 day moving average in a downtrending stock is pierced and the stock looks like its heading back TXCC broke its 200 30 moving average on Tuesday at 45 1/4 and closed at 48 15/16 For all intents we have a 'bottom' and everyone is happy that TXCC is on the mend.

MAJOR MISDIAGNOSIS
ONE DAY does not make a trend change.
TXCC should have CONTINUED up ABOVE 48 15/16 TXCC opened at 49 3/8 but before even 5 minutes of trading were over (basically just some buy orders were accumulated on the desk) 47 9/16 and the direction continuing. By 9:50 TXCC was trading 47 3/16 taking out a 3 5-minute bar consolidation to the downside. What did we have?

That 200 day major support of 49 became MINOR RESISTANCE.. which WAS NOT pentrated..and offered a KEY SELL SETUP when TXCC upward move was STOPPED and a sell short was triggered instead. PMCS was in such bad shape we only wanted it to take out the 20 period moving average of 127 and move up from there. Volume had picked up on Tuesday late and it MIGHT have continued. That was not to be either.. PMCS had the same disappointing reversal period. It opened at 130 13/16, on a small gap up but PROMPTLY revrsed in the first 5 minute bar to close it at 127 13/16. Again not a real open, but buy orders piling in from pre-market gave a fictious idea that PMCS was really gapping up when after those few suckers had their buys filled, PMCS moved to its rightful status of "POS".. blimp in a strong downtrend. Rallies to be shorted, unless a significant trend was established. 2 5-minute bars in a severly downtrodden stock DOES NOT make a REVERSAL.. This stock is not ANF or TGH after its earnings report. PMCS (i.e BRCM, BEAS, JNPR, etc are stock that is officially in a DOWNTREND.., a TRUE SHORT CANDIDATE on rallies)

FIRST REVERSAL PERIOD - SHORT TRIGGERS

By 9:50, CFLO, JNPR, BEAS, MANU (not a POS but just overbought), were all added as short triggers.

CONCLUSION
Lots of POS (piece of s_ _t) stocks all have that occasional move before continuing on their merry down way. Lately (in the last 5 weeks our BLIMPS - overvalued stocks were formally initiated as POS stocks). They follow the same strategies.
TXCC

 

To:Jenna who started this subject
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Nov 8, 2000  6:45 PM
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<font color=green> OVERBOUGHT SHORTS: MANU, PVTL, SRNA, PRSF All on our SHORT PLAY LIST (as overbought) for Wednesday in addition to our regular "BLIMP" list.

Although not in the same category of the overvalued blimps, these can and do become short plays. HOW? te opposit.. the stock is in an uptrend. One day a major resistance level Everything looks rosy, the stock has broken maybe a year high or a significant resistance level that it was having trouble with before(key moving average, break above ascending triangle, symmetrical triangle, cup and handle chart pattern to the upside, or upper bollinger band) is broken to the upside).

MANU had broken a cup and handle chart pattern to the upside.. at 113 and continued to an incredible new high of 132 1/8. This stock was getting toppy, the stochastics were overbought, MANU was getting 'blimpy'.. and its still quite at a high valuation. Good 'fodder' for a possible short play, especially in the backdrop of nasdaq dropping through support and other like ELNT had set a precedent JUST ONE DAY PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE SHORTED THAT ONE TIMELY.. MANU was a short play just waited to happen. It was on our short play list today and it was ripe for the plucking. Along with MANU PVTL, and SRNA (PRSF was not overbought but a failure to hold a 20 period moving average breakout)

So we have two categories of short plays: The overbought stock in market of falling NQ's, moving against "opinion" and just overbought and topping.

The continuing downfall of the overvalued, blimps mostly in 3 figures or trading in the 90's.


 
To:Jenna who wrote (115763)
From: Jenna
Sunday, Oct 29, 2000  3:34 PM
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JNPR.. Short Bait.. Put options, the next one to fall??
JNPR got an upgrade on Friday, what did that upgrade to BUY do? Not a thing. Investors are tired of paying enormous premiums for stocks. Tired of paying for potential at a Premium PE Multiple of 502.8 times, vs. the 62.2 X average multiple at which the Networking SubIndustry is priced. C'mon a P/E of 502..???? So it going to grow, okay wait until it gets more beaten and then at a more comfortable multiple get on board and grow with it. Do you really think this stock will go to 250 or 300? How can an analyst upgrade a blimp in these trying times. It was the same analysts have caused a lot of people to lose a lot of money with their upgrades. If you are still dying to get into JNPR get some call options after things settle in November AFTER it falls. If it doesn't fall than go with the trend, by all means, I just wouldn't pay premium for this stock just some daytrading the call/put options.

Profitability NOW of JNPR
ROS (Return on Sales) : (8.8%)
Divisional Margins : (6.4%)
Cash Flow Margins : (2.0%)
ROA (Return on Assets) : (1.8%)
ROE (Return on Equity) : (2.0%)
Profit per Employee : ($26,967)
Earnings Growth : 1,300.0%
so what its going to make $0.17 if its lucky and what if G-d forbid the unrest escalates in the mideast, do you still think that growth on JNPR is assured? You are not just paying for a Harvard education prices, you are paying for about 15 years of 'earnings potential'.. as well. I just think that's a little presumptuous.

JNPR is still a blimp, it might, MIGHT have a dead cat bounce move on Monday, but it looks like it will be short bait at any spike high (or even in the morning if it continues to MOVE DOWN).


To:iod_sherwood who wrote (115185)
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Oct 11, 2000  8:47 PM
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Feasting in the Garden of the Nasdaq I don't really care if the market is up or down. Actually when everyone comes out of the woodwork and the 'coast is clear' in an rally market its usually too late to make the big money. Its those beginning reversals that are the best, to the upside and the downside, short and long. I expect Thursday and Friday to be fraught with surprises to the negative and positive but I'm not waiting around for lows of the day or highs to cash in. Its not easy to gets in or out on time, when you are just long. Traders see the stock down and yes they were out, or the stock move up and yes they were holding. But if you can get the short and the long side, you don't have to chase the longs that never say up longer than 1/2 hour. You don't have to time the market exactly because you make money on both ends. On the long side you have to catch every drop of 'wine' because there's no telling when you can make money long the next time.

The only difficult thing in a market that has been down for the past few days is knowing when to cover the short when the stock breaks double and triple bottoms to the downside. That's because you have a full stomach and start hiccuping, downright overweight from so much feasting, but there's still more. The downside so far has so much more tenacity and longevity than the long side. When we have a bona fide rally, we can short again and then the cycle starts again.

I had trouble deciding when to cash in NEWP puts, and I did but if NEWP, CIEN moves up in the next session or two or reversal period or two, then we can short them at the very first reversal down. There were some very fat cats that crashed in the last 7 sessions or so. They will gain some weight and crash once more.

 

To:Dave Gore who wrote (115609)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Oct 26, 2000  12:00 AM
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Mind boggling.. when I sold the last of my mutual funds I had an ordeal on the phone trying to explain why I was selling them after only 6 weeks. I tried to tell them 20% was quite enough. Those same mutual funds now are at 22% losses. Before that I was only biotechs and pharmaceuticals.

http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=14095881&s=mutual

http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=14013889&s=pharmaceuticals


To:Jenna who wrote (115586)
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Oct 25, 2000  12:04 PM
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VRSN the pig, has finally been roasted. ENTU doing very well here.. that was my choice between that dirigible JDSU and ENTU.. ENTU has a nice multiple and priced right.


To:Roger Schelling who wrote (115572)
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Oct 25, 2000  8:58 AM
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Down...Down..... Blimps. MIPS on Chase Hambrecht & Quist Focus List.. Keep your puts through the first reversal period (up to 10:00) but watch them afterwards, especially CIEN, JDSU and MUSE. AMCC might have some more downside JNPR looking for more puts or short as its taken off Chase Hambrecht & Quist Focus List (way to go HMQT!)


To:Jenna who started this subject
From: Jenna
Wednesday, Nov 8, 2000  6:45 PM
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<font color=green> OVERBOUGHT SHORTS: MANU, PVTL, SRNA, PRSF All on our SHORT PLAY LIST (as overbought) for Wednesday in addition to our regular "BLIMP" list.

Although not in the same category of the overvalued blimps, these can and do become short plays. HOW? te opposit.. the stock is in an uptrend. One day a major resistance level Everything looks rosy, the stock has broken maybe a year high or a significant resistance level that it was having trouble with before(key moving average, break above ascending triangle, symmetrical triangle, cup and handle chart pattern to the upside, or upper bollinger band) is broken to the upside).

MANU had broken a cup and handle chart pattern to the upside.. at 113 and continued to an incredible new high of 132 1/8. This stock was getting toppy, the stochastics were overbought, MANU was getting 'blimpy'.. and its still quite at a high valuation. Good 'fodder' for a possible short play, especially in the backdrop of nasdaq dropping through support and other like ELNT had set a precedent JUST ONE DAY PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE SHORTED THAT ONE TIMELY.. MANU was a short play just waited to happen. It was on our short play list today and it was ripe for the plucking. Along with MANU PVTL, and SRNA (PRSF was not overbought but a failure to hold a 20 period moving average breakout)

So we have two categories of short plays: The overbought stock in market of falling NQ's, moving against "opinion" and just overbought and topping.

The continuing downfall of the overvalued, blimps mostly in 3 figures or trading in the 90's.

 

To:Jenna who wrote (118600)
From: Jenna
Sunday, Dec 10, 2000  4:40 PM
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CIEN with a P/E of 422, RIMM a P/E of 1,992.22, ARTG a P/E of 373, AVNX with a P/E of 489, BRCD a P/E of 392.41, SEBL with a P/E of 306.. can you really imagine these continuing upside in the next sessions? SUNW now has a P/E of 62,LSI a P/E of 19,CCMP a P/E of 41, ADCT a P/E of 23, INTC a P/E of 23, JBL a P/E of 48.. which would you invest in?

 

To:Frederick Langford who wrote (120055)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Dec 21, 2000  10:52 PM
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Did you think you could send your kids to college from the proceeds of PMCS at 244 or AETH 345 or how about CFLO at 160 or TUTS at 120. What has happened is that these overinflated blimps that were watered by the ignomious analysts like Chia pets and all to willing investors who only wanted to get rich quick (which isn't so ignoble, but why do these same investors fault the traders now for cashing in?)

Now the stocks are crashing and the charts are looking like they have brittle bone disease with 'head and shoulders' patterns breaking off at the bottom.. and osteoporosis setting into stretched out bent and disfigured necklines. We usually get in only 2 trends.. a possible short or long in the 9:50 to 10:10 or 10:25 to 10:35 reversal period. Careful not to get caught in te choppiness during the doldrums but watching and charting and analysing for later day breakouts. Then we short (or go long 1:30 to 1:55) towards the 2:00 breakouts that end the doldrums. I don't like getting into and out of trades and some days I am only short and than just flat.

We have clearer and longing lasting trends in the last few weeks and the choppiness that makes for bad trading has abated a bit more than usual. We don't hop on every move on the bars which is really indicative of lack of confidence in some cases or panicky trigger finger, but 'peek' at the 60 minute chart to see what in reality is enfolding.

Investors had an opportunity to cash it all in but you were retiring on AETH, IBM and LU was easier. Traders like us cashed in on the unprecedented 'cover up' by the analyst of the true story behind the economy. The irony of is that we traders were all in for the move up but from experience on past bubbles like the internet we were prepared and got out but rode the wave down and shorted the blimps.

Now everyone is talking 'multiples' but I rarely heard that word in early September when we were speaking of it.


To:Jenna who wrote (119574)
From: Jenna
Tuesday, Dec 19, 2000  3:16 PM
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SHORTS------> powerhouses IDPH, NTIQ, NEWP, TLGD, NUAN, JNPR, RIMM no chasing just triggers IDPH and NUAN earlier triggers. We are tanking nicely.. women and children first, man the lifeboats. OEX looks good, the puts.


To:Kathy Riley who wrote (116567)
From: Jenna
Monday, Nov 13, 2000  1:38 AM
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Gemmers have never shorted a stock indiscriminately just on I have said so. All I did was portray the financial 'worth' and profitibility of these stocks in comparison with others in the same sector. as I got them from various sources, Bloomberg Research, Intuit Research, Stocksmart Research, First Call Research and MSN money researh. This our form of trading we like to refer to as Techno-Fundamentalist trading. We believe that the highest flyers both to the long and the SHORT side will do the best relative to their earnings, revenues, projected yearly trailing P/E's, Return on Equity, Return on Sales, their ratios.....etc.

Then I peek at their filing myself at Edgar. We call the stock when it is actually exhibited technical confirmation of a short play.. The set was there and the action to be formed as simply a short play. Unlike those that 'short to the death' our gemmers understand quite well that these stocks are not really POS but overblown blimps with unbelieavable multiples, the prices are simply not justifiable. If we were wrong than how come so many of the exact stock we posted for the last few week were cut in half? How come we are now talking about extreme valuation when 8 months ago everyone was complacent and even eager to spend 400 times earnings for a stock. We mostly buy puts over and over again and don't stay with 10 contracts for more than 1 -3 days. Rarely, yes there was RBAK, JNPR, and MUSE that was a little longer.. and small forays of 1 day into TLGD, NEWP and ELNT.

We advise small positions, option calls for $4-7$ usually 10 conract.. When trader get in over their head in boatloads of long or short they are gambling and are not practicing proper trading strategies. We have gotten e-mail from trader that took it upon themselve to load up on long plays that they though had bottomed because the market was so weak and they thought they caught the bottom. A shorter is going to lose his shirt if he just shorts stocks and does not buys puts That's the way I do it, the LEVERAGE is great and you can only lose what you put in to pay for those 5 to 10 contracts

 

 
To:Brice A. Guckien who wrote (116970)
From: Jenna
Sunday, Nov 19, 2000  8:26 PM
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Valuations are still sky high. No one called SDLI the blimp down exactly to 60, we are really into other blimps but we enjoyed that one as a 'side order'.. a smorgasbord together with the others. You exaggerate the power of a public bulletin board where posters are novices like you and don't know what weight to put on posts. At least we give the facts here and don't put down lists to buy but react on fundamentals we feel are exaggerated and analysts upgrades and price targets that are downright criminal

We saw a slowdown brewing and if you didn't see it, that's too bad. We don't think its over yet. When growth is slowing and profits are slowing and cash flow is slowing you can't have triple digit multiples, and this truism will more than likely continue through 2001.

We called the downfall of the oil service, tech sector and even the internet sector on this thread and if you think we caused the downfall by calling the high prices and absurd valuations than so be it. Common sense is what we are guilty of and called JDSU short at 114 and not living like ostriches with our heads in the sand like many investors.

Denial is a problem that might stem from something not covered in a financial bulletin board. There are other help groups and support groups for those kind of problems. You might want to move onto another media.

We did well with our short plays and will continue going long and finding safer havens stocks in financial and pharmaceuticals and very carefully select tech.. where bad news is the norm and stocks move up only on a day bad news is contained for a while.


To:Jenna who wrote (119463)
From: Jenna
Monday, Dec 18, 2000  10:44 PM
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RIMM is such an obvious short that its taking a bit longer 1,771 P/E Its not worth covering a short position just hold them or cash them in for the next strike price out (or two or three). I would be buying 55-60 strike option puts for February or March even. We could have done the same with NTIQ, CFLO,TIBX, BRCM, BRCD, WEBM,RBAK, JNPR, ONIS all got chopped, diced and quartered and its not over. Give them a little rest and let them set up once again as short bait. Its becoming more and more obvious daily that these plays are just being kept up by illusion.

 

To:Jenna who wrote (115555)
From: Jenna
Tuesday, Oct 24, 2000  5:15 PM
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NUAN was gorgeous not to mention JDSU.. I picked up "puts".. MCDT another day of tankeroo over 51 since the short trigger now. Even MANU was good for a 'getting the feet' wet short.. first one of the day. EPNY was some EPNY today more like NTMR (nightmare) for longs.

RIMM you should have seen that -DX crossover on the 5 minute chart.. At the very first move into the doldrums at 11:30 the +DX started to drop like a rock.. PRECEDING the price fall and showing a divergence as RIMM was only begining to fall. The stochastics immediately started to move down through the overbought of 100 by 11:30 and had tanked to 0.. before the beefy part of the down move even began. Thereafter from about 12:30 to the close stochastics stayed under 20 and even hitting 0.

RIMM kept tanking until another and the strength of the DOWNWARD TREND was so strong the ADX soared to 66.72 from 1:00 to 4:00.. other stocks played the same scenario.... tanking.. Meanwhile APCC and CNET were heading north. One of the best days,long and short, especially short. Couldn't get a lot of stock trading but those options were nice.

To:Jeff Jordan who wrote (117692)
From: Jenna
Thursday, Nov 30, 2000  4:43 PM
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<font color=maroon>Where and What to Short
Thought I posted some thoughts on the biotech sector. Its too many posts to wade through but I did think in the mid afternoon that any tech rally would trample the biotech sector. Indeed, that is what happened. MYGN.. which was doing rather well, suddenly turned bad, IDPH moved near the lows of the day, and ADRX which was hanging on very well, finally lost its support. I think we might see more selling in the biotechs.

Another area to short are stocks that are just up too much in too short a time frame (i.e. IWOV, NTIQ, ONIS, NUFO, NUAN, CORV, MCDT, EFNT and the like) and any recovery will set the stage for a new short setup. We shorted IWOV close to its highs and it closed 67% of its high. MCDT it was decided to wait.. others shorted RIMM. We can play volleyball with stocks that are up 15% and more in one day AND ARE TRADING IN THE BOTTOM PERCENTILE OF THEIR YEAR HIGH. Because their prevailing trend is is DOWN..

Rallies in companies like these are usually no more than short set ups and bear flag rallies. We need to diversify...not just in stock selection but in long and short positions. There will be ample opportunity in the next few weeks for longs in 'quality' techs as opposed to shorts in stocks that are just dragged along on momentum but have no real legs.

 

To:Dave Gore who wrote (118567)
From: Jenna
Sunday, Dec 10, 2000  4:09 AM
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SUNW, ITWO, CIEN.. and others I would still be comfortable shorting although I hold no positions in them. Valuation time is coming upon us in just a matter of weeks and investors are tired of losing money on companies with little to offer except high P/E...rates and revenues with little or no actual profits. I would not surprised to see a number of those you mentioned rise after one or two reversal periods. I have puts ANEN, RIMM NTIQ and will add more longs if I see a recovery on Monday. Morning weakness can perhaps provide us with good entry opportunities without the morning gap ups.

If there is a flow of money into technology (especially the semiconductors).. or a trickle than its the biotechs, cyclicals, retail, health service, and drug sector that might provide further short plays. If however there is still more downside pressure, these sectors might provide further safe havens. I don't like to limit myself to 'technology or bust.. and certainly not to ...Go long or bust. We should go with the trend and sector strength.

 

To:Jenna who wrote (115524)
From: Jenna
Monday, Oct 23, 2000  9:11 PM
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JDSU what to expect: On July 26, JDSU reported a 17% earnings surprise.. the stock went from 135 to a low of 112 on August first down to about 86 on October 18, before moving up on anticipation. On April 26, JDSU had a 10% earnings surprise, and JDSU went from a low of 92 to a low of 80 by April 10. On January 26, JDSU had a 13% earnings surprise, it traded at a low of 107 and 2 days later reached a low of 97. Return on sales for JDSU (-40.3%) Return on Equity a nice negative 2.3% return on assets a negative 2.2%... net profit margins down -63% while the industry is up 4%. How much is JDSU worth according to its multiple and compared to others in its sector: 2001 should be $69 (a further retreat of 31%) and by 2002 the price should be 100

Technicals not too bad proving that JDSU might continue to have some anticipatory upswing before its earnings report. If it takes out 102 1/2 the 20 day moving average it might move up a bit more. right now its trading betwen a falling 21 and 50 day moving average. If it takes out 106 3/4 this will be a bounce off the 50 day moving average.